From: (Walter Roberson)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.matlab
Subject: Re: MATLAB Central Spring Contest
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:15:54 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: National Research Council Canada - Conseil national de rechereches Canada
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In article <>,
D. Ismay <noSpam@Woohoo.Woohoohoo.Woohoo.Woohoohoo.HOOHOO.hoohoo.Woohoo.Woohoohoo> wrote:
>Walter Roberson wrote:
>> In article <>,
>> D. Ismay <noSpam@Woohoo.Woohoohoo.Woohoo.Woohoohoo.HOOHOO.hoohoo.Woohoo.Woohoohoo> wrote:

>>> 8. 'behaviors', 'moneys', 'winds', 'rains', 'foods', 'fruits', 
>>> 'medicines', when all
>>> of these are group nouns and don't change spelling for plural case.

>> You are wrong about each of the words you list. 

>bad guess, Mr. Roberson.

No guess. I provided specific citations to a source considered by many
people to be authoratative. The quotations provided in some cases extended
back farther than 1000 years. It is now incumbant upon you to prove your

  Many English count nouns can be used as mass nouns, and in these
  cases, they take on cumulative reference. For example, one may
  say that "there's apple in this sauce," and then apple has
  cumulative reference, and, hence, is used as a mass noun.
  Conversely, "fire" is generally a mass noun, but "a fire" refers
  to a discrete entity, and does not satisfy the criterion for
  cumulative reference.  Two common situations of this process are
  when speaking of either servings/measurements of a substance
  ("Two waters please") or of several types/varieties ("waters of
  the world").[2] One may say that mass nouns that are used as
  count nouns are "countified" and that count ones that are used as
  mass nouns are "massified." Some mass nouns can't easily be
  countified, and some count nouns are hard to massify. For example
  the count noun "house" is difficult to use as mass, and the mass
  noun "cutlery" is hard to countify:
  "Ignorance has been our king... he sits unchallenged on the throne of
  Man. His dynasty is age-old. His right to rule is now considered
  legitimate. Past sages have affirmed it. They did nothing to unseat
  him."                                       -- Walter M Miller, Jr