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Hello community,

my knowledge of Matlab is limited, I admit it. So, I am sorry if I am going to make mistakes.

I have to create a series of variable using a "for" loop.

I make this:

for i=1:3

eval(['A' num2str(i) '= i'])

end

and it works well, it makes 3 variables A1, A2, A3.

But I need to use this variables to make other variables B1, B2, B3 where Bi=Ai*i. So I should have B1=A1*1=1, B2=A2*2=2*2=4, B3=A3*3=3*3=9

I tried something like this:

for i=1:3

eval(['A' num2str(i) '= i'])

eval(['B' num2str(i) '= 'A' num2str(i) '*i])

end

but it gives me error and it doesn't work. Of course I simplified things, the real code is a bt more complicated but I need to know the basics of how this could work.

Thank you

Stephen Cobeldick
on 12 Jan 2016

Edited: Stephen Cobeldick
on 19 Jun 2019

Giovanni Barbarossa
on 27 Jun 2018

Amit
on 22 Jan 2014

Edited: Amit
on 22 Jan 2014

Italo, I am glad you're trying out things on matlab.

Matlab is very good with matrixes. What you're doing in these can be done much easily. For example:

A = 1:3;

B = A.*A; %

You can find many tutorials online on how to use MAtlab. For example: http://www.mathworks.com/academia/student_center/tutorials/launchpad.html

Amit
on 22 Jan 2014

In you code:

for i=1:3

eval(['A' num2str(i) '= i'])

eval(['B' num2str(i) '= A' num2str(i) '*i']) % Issue was Here. Notice the positions of '

end

Bruno Pop-Stefanov
on 22 Jan 2014

Jerry Olup
on 28 Apr 2018

Edited: Jerry Olup
on 28 Apr 2018

I did find dynamically named variables useful for a specific need. I have several files in a directory. Each file has a few columns that are read into a structure. It's convenient to read and simultaneously name the variables per a filename. For instance I read to a temp var then use the ill-advised exec capability to assign this to a variable specific to the file I read in. Looping, I read all files in the dir efficiently. 'files' is a cell array of file names discovered in that directory....

tmp = table(dataArray{1:end-1}, 'VariableNames', {'max_mag','max_noise','max_cnt'});

eval([files{i} '=tmp'])

I do see where this is not good for general variable naming, but I believe there's a niche usage in this case. Opinions? Best, Jerry

Stephen Cobeldick
on 28 Apr 2018

" It's convenient to read and simultaneously name the variables per a filename."

A structure would be simpler, as well as be more efficient and easier to debug:

S.(files{i}) = table(...);

Or simply store the tables themselves in a cell array, and keep the corresponding files data in another cell array: this would be trivial to achieve using indexing, and also has the significant advantage that then the files data are not restricted to valid field/variable names.

Or just use one table, and add a files column to distinguish between the different cases.

"I do see where this is not good for general variable naming"

How do you then access those dynamically defined variables? Your "niche case" does not see to be any different to any of the other cases that have been described on this forum: can you explain why writing slow, complex code is better than using a simple structure, like I showed? Or better than using very simple (and very efficient) indexing?

"but I believe there's a niche usage in this case"

So far you have not actually described anywhere in your answer why it is necessary to dynamically create/access variable names: other methods would also store your data more efficiently than what you have shown, and you have not given any reason why none of those methods would work.

Jan
on 30 Apr 2018

I cannot emphasize it enough how important Stephen's suggestions are. Creating the variables dynamically impedes the JIT acceleration massively, such that the complete function can runs ways slower, not just the line containing these variables. The JIT must be able to handle the case, that one of the "files{i}" is called "plot". Afterwards plot is not a command anymore, but a table object. To catch such problems, all function calls must be checked manually if they have been overwritten dynamically.

Using dynamic field names instead by S.(files{i})=table(...) is safe and efficient. In addition reading the code allows to identify these variables directly: If I find "S.function" in the source code, I know where it is coming from, while for a simple "function" I cannot be sure, if this is a typo or a dynamically created variable. The editor cannot distinguish this also and will assume an illegal definition of a function. Such strange effect can never happen with dynamic field names.

Summary: No, there is no niche for dynamically created variables. eval is a shot in your knee. Sometimes it does not hurt immediately, but the later it starts to bite you, the harder it will be to clean up the code.

This has been discussed exhaustively in the links, Stephen has posted in his answer above. Believe him and the bunch of corresponding threads.

Jerry Olup
on 12 Aug 2018

Hi Stephen, I'll give the idea of provide parallel constructs where the file-specific variable references are in one cell while data is collected in structure. I've shifted in the last month or so to use python for preprocessing - so this problem has largely gone away and been replaces with xlsread, csvread etc.

>>files data are not restricted to valid field/variable names

My file names are conventionally, ascii with underscores and timestamps yyyymmdd_hhmmss type, so I do see where this is problem. They are pretty specific so I thought I was giving a concrete counter example in contrast to @Italo and @Muna, who started this thread naming generic matrices.

>>you have not given any reason why none of those methods would work.

You're absolutely correct. I latched onto that solution as it was elegant for what I needed.

Thanks for the interaction, best, Jerry

César Silva Proaño
on 12 Aug 2018

Hi, look I was doing something similar in order to create a function with the Krammer Method, for solving any size of matrix-equation problem. Look I created a function in order to do this, therefore, I needed to do it automatically, creating variables dinamically. Look at this fucntion.

function [ X ] = funcionMetodoKrammer( A )

%UNTITLED Summary of this function goes here

% Detailed explanation goes here

% ex: A = [-3 2 1 10;5 -8 3 15;-8 -9 10 20];

sizeA = size(A);

sizeFilasA = sizeA(1,1);

sizeColumnasA = sizeA(1,2);

matrizASinResultado = A(1:sizeFilasA,1:sizeFilasA);

matrizResultados = A(:,sizeColumnasA);

if (sizeFilasA == sizeColumnasA - 1)

for (i = 1:sizeColumnasA)

genvarname('matrizColumna', num2str(i));

eval(['matrizColumna' num2str(i) '=A(:,i)']);

end

for (i = 1:sizeFilasA)

genvarname('matrizTemporalColumna', num2str(i));

eval(['matrizTemporalColumna' num2str(i) '=matrizASinResultado(:,i)']);

end

matrizIncognita1 = [matrizResultados,matrizASinResultado(:,2:sizeFilasA)];

for (i = 2:sizeFilasA)

genvarname('matrizIncognita', num2str(i));

eval(['matrizIncognita' num2str(i) '=[matrizASinResultado(:,1:i-

1),matrizResultados,matrizASinResultado(:,i+1:sizeFilasA)]']);

end

else

msgbox('La matriz ingresada para el método Krammer es incorrecta');

end

for (i = 1:sizeFilasA)

genvarname('X', num2str(i));

genvarname('matrizIncognita', num2str(i));

eval(['X' num2str(i) '= det(matrizIncognita' num2str(i) ')/det(matrizASinResultado)']);

end

X = zeros(1,sizeFilasA);

for (i = 1:sizeFilasA)

genvarname('X', num2str(i));

eval(['X' '(1,' num2str(i) ')=X' num2str(i)]);

end

end

%{

Asuminedo que existen variables B1, B2 y B3 se pueden acceder a las

variables de la siguiente manera

B1 = 10; B2 = 11; B3 = 12;

for (i = 1:3)

genvarname('Prueba', num2str(i));

genvarname('B', num2str(i));

eval(['Prueba' num2str(i) '=' 'B' num2str(i) '+10']);

end

%}

I strongly disagree with the idea that you shouldn't use this because, if it exists I mean why not? It is not prohibited, and additionally it is very helpful in some cases.

Regards,

Sebastián

Stephen Cobeldick
on 12 Aug 2018

"...you just attack this method..."

Because that method is pointlessly slow, pointlessly inefficient, and pointlessly complex.

"...and you do not present an formal solution."

Please see my previous comment, where I presented you with my own version of your function: much simpler, much more efficient, more than one hundred times faster, no eval. Exactly the same output.

You will also find that two years ago I presented several "formal solutions" as alternatives to dynamic variable names, here, in this tutorial:

Exactly as I wrote two years ago in that tutorial, using efficient MATLAB indexing is the "formal solution" that I used to create a much more efficient version of your function. That tutorial was linked to at the top of this thread, for everyone to read. Within my tutorial you will find many links to the MATLAB documentation, to MATLAB blogs, and to other threads on this forum: they all explain why this is a bad approach to writing code. If you want to learn, there is plenty of information available for you to read.

"so why don't you give us an enlightening solution for this problem, instead of criticizing?"

"But please make us all a favor and present a code, not just words or links, because as my previous code, that is useless for people who want to learn matlab in a good manner."

"It seems that you have a personal issue with this form of approaching the dinamic generation of variables."

Not really, I just like writing good code. And I read the MATLAB documentation: "A frequent use of the eval function is to create sets of variables such as A1, A2, ..., An, but this approach does not use the array processing power of MATLAB and is not recommended. The preferred method is to store related data in a single array"

If you "...want to learn matlab in a good manner" then you can also read the MATLAB documentation.

"that is why perhaps I can commit mistakes, but I beg my pardon, everyone can make mistakes, specially me and others who are not so smart as you"

I make mistakes, you make mistakes, we all make mistakes. That is exactly why computer programmers have developed lots of useful code checking tools that check the code syntax while you type, check function calling syntaxes, etc.. Note that none of these tools work with the strings inside eval. So if you want to find and fix those mistakes, then these tools can help... as long as you don't use eval!

"The question should be, how do you generate dinamic variables?"

I don't.

Walter Roberson
on 13 Aug 2018

César Silva Proaño:

Imagine that you were building a bird house by using a beer bottle to hammer in nails. You get something made and present it to us as a model for how to make bird houses.

Imagine that we notice that you used the wrong size of nails for the materials, that you used the wrong kind of nails for the materials, that using a beer bottle as a hammer is dangerous, and that our considered experience is that it is a lot better to build bird houses with screws instead of with nails.

In those circumstances, should we advise you to use screws and a screwdriver instead of nails, or should we refrain from saying anything, seeing as you created a birdhouse that looks good enough to you? Should we just shrug our shoulders about the dangers of bottles shattering in hands when used as hammers, figuring that people will eventually figure it out for themselves?

jonas
on 11 Sep 2018

"you just attack this method and you do not present an formal solution"

This is simply untrue. On the contrary, from what I've seen Stephen Cobeldick always provides a concrete solution when possible. Here's an example from 5 minutes ago ( link ) which is nothing out of the ordinary.

"But please make us all a favor and present a code, not just words or links..."

This is the mindset I see in a lot of younger students today - avoid instructions like the plague and feel entitled to a solution. Remember that no one is getting paid to read about your dynamic variables, so you should appreciate any replies including links and words (whatever that means).

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